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Vulcan Centaur United Launch Alliance's Vulcan Centaur rocket (pictured) debuts with the launch of the Peregrine lunar lander, the first mission on NASA's Commercial Lunar Payload Services program. In darts, Luke Humphries wins the PDC World Championship. In Kerman, Iran, at least 91 people are killed by Islamic State bombings during a ceremony commemorating the assassination of Qasem Soleimani. Japan Airlines Flight 516 collides with a Japan Coast Guard airplane at Tokyo's Haneda Airport, killing five aboard the latter aircraft. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Myanmar civil war Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline War in Sudan Recent deaths: Sidney M. Wolfe Glynis Johns Matisyahu Salomon Niklaus Wirth Gil de Ferran Les McCann view — page history — related changes — edit

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January 9

Portal:Current events/2024 January 9
January 9, 2024 (2024-01-09) (Tuesday) Politics and elections 2023–24 Bhutanese National Assembly election Bhutanese people vote in the second round of the election for 47 members of the National Assembly. (Reuters)

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College Football National Championship

Article: 2024 College Football Playoff National Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In American football, the Michigan Wolverines defeat the Washington Huskies to win the College Football National Championship (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)

• BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:25, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
• This needs some work to qualify, but here me through on why this has the notability. This is not a "minor" or "second-tier" or game of "little importance" (previous arguments against inclusion). College football is ENORMOUSLY popular, and it's arguably a different code than the NFL and thus is not at all accurately considered "second-tier". And one cannot claim this is not worthy of posting due to being amateur or of one country, as we post the direct equivalent in basketball -- which college football is more popular than -- and ITN policy prohibits opposing something solely for being of one country. Note that college football is the second most-popular sport in the U.S., only behind NFL football. Eight out of 10 of the largest sports stadiums in the world are all for college football, and they regularly are filled in college games.
  The current slot of In the News is the "PDC Darts Championship", something that pales in comparison to college football's popularity. I compared viewership stats for the championships in each last year, darts was a tenth of the college championship. Literally ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY TWO college football games from this year EXCEEDED the viewership for the darts championship, including games by little-known teams like Bowling Green and Miami Ohio. Literally Liberty versus Oregon this season had higher viewership than major events that we always post such as the Stanley Cup and World Baseball Classic. In fact, I compared last year's college football championship to many of the other events we post (WP:ITNSPORTS), and found that it bested in viewership FORTY OUT OF FORTY-ONE events (the other: the Super Bowl). I admit I did not weigh it against any association football events, cricket events or rugby events, and was unable to find several other viewership statistics, and so it could have been smaller than a few of those. But we need to use common sense. This is one of the most popular and most-viewed sporting events in the world annually whether we like it or not. All reason leads to this being posted. We need to get it done. BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, when article gets brought up to par. I thought this was ITNR but I guess it was removed? Natg 19 (talk) 04:41, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  For some reason, BeanieFan11 did not do association football, which I presume exceeds American football, but his point still stands that this final is (likely) one of the most viewed sporting events. Natg 19 (talk) 04:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality as the article’s a long ways off. Support on notability, however; as the nom says, a lot of the argument against posting in recent years has effectively boiled down to “it’s only popular in the US,” which could realistically apply to multiple sports we post at ITNR that are of limited regional popularity. The Kip<
• Oppose On quality, too many unsourced sections. As for WP:ITNSPORTS this isn't on the list, this sort of match would appear to be on par with The Varsity Match which also doesn't appear on it and I am not convinced a university sports match should be there on merit but that's an aside to the quality oppose. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 07:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  If we compare to The Varsity Match, is The Varsity Match nationally televised? Do millions of people watch it on television and 70,000 people attend the event? If so, then I could say that it could also be included at ITN. But college football in the US is vastly different than university sports in other countries. 08:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose After seeing this ITN nomination recurrently for more than a decade, which is enough for some major movements to happen, there's still no lasting sporting impact out of this. There are absolutely no signs that college football is becoming increasingly popular in different parts of the world, and there are not even any significant efforts made to change that (note that it's never been part of the Youth Olympic Games and the World University Games even though it's a perfect fit). The main argument every year is that it has enormous viewership and generates a lot of money, which indicates that it's a major commercial success, but doesn't tell anything about it as a sporting event. We're here to evaluate this as a sport nomination, not as a product success, so it most definitely doesn't merit inclusion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

January 8

Portal:Current events/2024 January 8

January 8, 2024 (2024-01-08) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Russia launches a massive missile and drone attack across Ukraine, killing at least four people and injuring 38 others in Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv, Khmelnytskyi and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts. Ukraine says that it shot down all eight drones and 18 of 51 missiles. (AP) (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Israel assassinates Wissam al-Tawil, the deputy commander of Hezbollah's Redwan Force, during an airstrike against a vehicle in Majdel Selm, Lebanon. Another person is also killed in the airstrike. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Twenty-five people are killed and six others are injured in a crash involving a truck and a tourist minibus on a highway near São José do Jacuípe, Bahia, Brazil. (ABC News) (G1) Law and crime A two-year long investigation conducted by the BBC accuses Synagogue Church of All Nations founder T. B. Joshua of rape and torture. (BBC News) Politics and elections Farmers block highway access roads in parts of Germany, launching a week of protests against a government plan to remove tax breaks on diesel used in agriculture. (BBC News) Science and technology Nuclear program of Iran According to De Volkskrant, a Dutch engineer recruited by the General Intelligence and Security Service of the Netherlands released the malicious computer worm Stuxnet in an Iranian nuclear complex in 2007, disrupting the Iranian nuclear program for years. (NOS) (The Times) Peregrine Mission One, the first US lunar lander since the Apollo program, is launched at Cape Canaveral in Florida, United States, failing to achieve its objective. (The Guardian) Sports 2023 NCAA Division I FBS football season 2024 College Football Playoff National Championship The University of Michigan beats the University of Washington 34–13 in the 2024 College Football Playoff National Championship match for NCAA Division I football. (NBC)

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Élisabeth Borne resigns as French prime minister

Article: Élisabeth Borne (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Élisabeth Borne resigns as Prime Minister of France following the passage of an immigration bill. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Twistedaxe (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Quite significant and expected to be apart of a larger cabinet reshuffle in 2024. TwistedAxe [contact] 23:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Seems to be big news, but how much power does the PM of France have? Does not seem to have the same power that prime ministers in other countries have. Natg 19 (talk) 23:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Our govt heads list has the French president as the position of power, not PM. — Masem (t) 23:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  France is a semi-presidential system with the concept of cohabitation (government). When the majority in Parliament is an opposition party to the President, that opposition is appointed the government by the President because the government must have the support of the Parliament, and there is some measure of power-sharing. But when the majority in Parliament is on the President's side, like in this case, the President is the leader of the majority coalition and thus largely controls the appointment of officials, so PM has little power and basically serves as a second-in-command. From what I know, at least. JM (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  That's basically it, the PM is the more powerful one when from the opposition (happened three times, Chirac, Balladur, and Jospin), and otherwise mostly executes the President's leadership. Under Macron especially, PMs have had comparatively little power. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 01:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  This is my general question though - if the PM has little power, then is this a "notable" or ITN event? Or is this akin to a cabinet member getting fired or dismissed? Natg 19 (talk) 01:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  Probably not that notable, but not irrelevant either, although I'm probably biased by it being from my own country in thinking it's more notable than it actually is. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 02:09, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

• Wait/Support. Would be in favor of posting when a new PM is sworn in. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support and I'm bringing the popcorn to watch who Macron is picking next. Le Maire? Darmanin? ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 01:05, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - the PM in France's system does not control the executive like the PM in a Parliamentary system does. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 02:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Rockstone. The Kip 03:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose – Just a one-line update. Needs a solid paragraph on recent events. Article can use some work in general I think. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:42, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose on quality. There are multiple unsourced paragraphs. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

RD: Wissam al-Tawil

Article: Wissam al-Tawil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by 69.156.166.201 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Senior Hezbollah commander. 69.156.166.201 (talk) 21:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support The article feels not much longer than a stub, but it’s adequately-cited. The Kip 05:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

RD: J. P. R. Williams

Article: J. P. R. Williams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Wales and British Lions rugby union international The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 20:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:37, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Vulcan rocket launches Peregrine

Articles: Vulcan Centaur (talk · history · tag) and Peregrine Mission One (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ United Launch Alliance's Vulcan Centaur rocket debuts with the successful launch of the Peregrine lunar lander, the first mission on NASA's Commercial Lunar Payload Services program. (Post)
News source(s): Spacenews
Credits:

• Nominated by Jolielegal (talk · give credit)

Historical launch notable for two independent reasons. It is the first launch of the brand new Vulcan Centaur rocket, and the first mission on NASA's Commercial Lunar Payload Services program and the first time the US launches a lunar lander since the Apollo era. Jolielegal (talk) 09:03, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Not just the first successful flight of an entirely-new rocket, it also brings a number of firsts. And that's even before getting to it being the launch of a mission to land on the Moon. I fixed all CN tags I found, and removed an orange-tagged empty section; both articles seem to be in good shape to me, but I'd welcome more looks. Nottheking (talk) 10:18, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support - LFG!! Definitely should be posted as per @Nottheking. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Historic moment in space exploration. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 11:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• It'll be ITNR when it gets there. —Cryptic 11:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  The lander would be ITNR if it successfully lands. The launch wouldn't be ITN, but for that it's the first launch of a major new rocket - Vulcan. This will replace the Atlas and Delta rockets. Though given the shear number of Lunar landings the USA has scheduled in the next 12 months, perhaps we need to review that. Nfitz (talk) 16:05, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Unmanned rocket takes off successfully. Nigej (talk) 12:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Are you aware, User:Nigej that this is the first flight of Vulcan - a major new rocket that will replace Atlas and Delta rockets. Nfitz (talk) 16:05, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I am aware of that. The problem is that there's much going on in this area at the moment. Plenty of new rockets/missions from many different countries. Let's focus here on missions that actually achieve something significant, not just taking off. Nigej (talk) 16:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support – I support this will be our feature for Vulcan Centaur, which is a lovely article that clearly a lot of work has gone into. I expect we'll replace the blurb with a new one post-landing? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Landing isn't scheduled until late-February.

• Support - this is more than just a routine launch of a satellite into orbit ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support - though the blurb focus should be on the Vulcan Centaur - not the lunar lander, which should be blurbed at the end of February if it successfully lands. Vulcan Centaur is a major new rocket, that will be the workhorse of ULA launches for the rest of decade, now that production has ended on the Atlas and Delta rockets. Nfitz (talk) 16:05, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Boldly going somewhere we've gone plenty of times before, I guess? DarkSide830 (talk) 16:09, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose the launch as this type of rocket series has been used before so not a breakthrough, but do Support when the lander reaches the destination. --Masem (t) 18:14, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Surely the current blurb is untenable, given that it seems that, despite the successful take-off, the mission will fail to achieve any of its important scientific objectives. Nigej (talk) 19:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Support per above JM (talk) 20:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support The news now is that the lander has developed a fault and so may not be able to land. This is generating more coverage now and so it seems best to post this now rather than waiting on its uncertain future. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
  • When the Indian probe failed to land properly on the moon, we posted that. Similarly we should wait until it's fully confirmed that the mission failed as the point to post. If they somehow pull an Apollo 13 and have a successful landing, that would be as important. — Masem (t) 23:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

    Fully agree with your reasoning, but I don't remember Apollo 13 having a successful lunar landing... :p ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 01:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

    I meant it as pulling off an engineering miracle to save the astronauts. Masem (t) 01:23, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose humans launch a rocket into space (or fail to); specifically, if it's space-related and not INTR, it's unlikely to be significant enough for ITN. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  • ITN/R isn't the only reason for things to get posted. After all, that's the case for every blue- and yellow-box nomination here. Being listed in ITN/R (which is due for a revision) merely means it automatically passes the "notability" test, but that doesn't mean things that don't are automatically not notable. This was the first successful orbital launch of a brand-new rocket family, which there is a fairly broad consensus is notable. (and probably strong support to be re-added to ITN/R, which it previously was) But the important thing to note is that "not being ITN/R means it's not notable" isn't really true. Nottheking (talk) 02:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

• Posted as there's consensus for this. I've deleted the word "successful" from the blurb. If something happens regarding failed landings, we'll update the hook. Media is currently awaiting protection. Schwede66 01:53, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

January 7

Portal:Current events/2024 January 7

January 7, 2024 (2024-01-07) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Myanmar civil war Operation 1027 The Three Brotherhood Alliance claimed that it captured the towns of Kutkai and Theinni on midnight after seizing junta military posts in the towns, including the headquarters of the 16th Military Operations Command in Theinni. (Irrawaddy) Tatmadaw airstrikes kill at least 17 people, including nine children, and injure 20 others in Kanan village, Sagaing. (ABC News) Arts and culture 81st Golden Globe Awards Oppenheimer, directed by Christopher Nolan, wins five awards at the 81st Golden Globe Awards, while Poor Things wins the awards for Best Motion Picture – Musical or Comedy and Best Actress – Motion Picture Musical or Comedy (CNBC) Lily Gladstone (Blackfeet Nation) becomes the first Indigenous woman to win Best Actress for her performance in Killers of the Flower Moon (ICT News) (AP News) Disasters and accidents A fire in the Kutupalong refugee camp in Bangladesh destroys hundreds of shelters and facilities and displaces nearly 7,000 Rohingya refugees. (Dhaka Tribune) (The Washington Post) Politics and elections 2024 Bangladeshi general election Citizens of Bangladesh vote in a general election with opposition parties boycotting the election. (Al Jazeera) Philippine President Bongbong Marcos signs a law that permits electronic tax filing in the country. (Reuters) Sports 2024 ATP Tour, 2024 WTA Tour 2024 United Cup In tennis, Germany wins their second United Cup after defeating Poland 2–1 in the final. (PA Media via The Guardian)

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RD/blurb: Franz Beckenbauer

Article: Franz Beckenbauer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former German footballer and manager Franz Beckenbauer dies at the age of 78. (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:

• Nominated by Shakya2007 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former Bayern Munich and Germany captain Franz Beckenbauer died on 7 January 2024. He was considered to be one of the greatest defenders of all time, and perhaps one of the greatest players to ever play the sport. Shakya2007 (talk) 16:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb once ready. NOW we're talking about one of the greatest of this sport. The greatest defender of all time, two-time World Champion (one of only three to win both as player and coach), two-time Ballon d'Or, the list goes on and on. While reputation definitely suffered in the last decade or two, he's still widely revered in Germany and beyond. - CDE34RFV (talk) 16:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Support. Anyone who was considered the best in soccer for that year (except Sir Bobby for some reason), should be put in RD. Keep in mind that he was considered the best in soccer for TWO years. Sadbunny3 (talk) 16:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Support once ready: Beckenbauer's life and achievements speak for themselves (both in a good and a bad way), so he's undoubtedly eligible. However, I should note that many sentences in the first half of the article, as well as many accolades in the "Career statistics" section, still need to be supported by citations... I hope I'll be able to provide some help myself on that front. Oltrepier (talk) 17:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

allocades that "speak for themselves" I'd not sufficient for a blurb. They should be described as part of why the person was significant or important for merit ing a blurb. --Masem (t) 18:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

He was called Der Kaiser — the Emperor — for a reason. This does speak for itself, in my opinion. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

But nit to anyone not familiar with football. The article should have clear context for that, and it is lacking that now. — Masem (t) 21:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

And while we're at it, Mario Zagallo. Funny both men with such similar deeds die so near each other in time. 41.58.54.167 (talk) 17:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

They also look confusingly similar. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 17:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb when ready Considered one of the greatest footballers of his time, article reflects this, however the article has some ref work to be done. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb when ready. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:48, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Strong oppose blurb Like I said on the other active football blurb nom, "winning at sports" is not sufficient for a blurb. The systemic bias is strong here. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  Top of the field is what counts. He was top of the field. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Beckenbauer was one of the most important people (not just as a player) in soccer history, so definitely worthy of a blurb. Rlendog (talk) 17:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. Given that Mario Zagallo has been rejected, there is zero reason to blurb Beckenbauer. Their achievements are very similar.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  Beckenbauer has more achievements than Zagallo, and frankly speaking more famous to most current readers. 85 wiki pages in different languages for Beckenbauer and 51 for Zagallo. They are figures of different level. Beckenbauer is also famous as long term Bauern chief. Kirill C1 (talk) 19:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb As with Zaggallo, the article does not clearly explain how he was an influential player or manager, and hand-waving these claims do not help. Oppose RD at this time due to several missing citations. --Masem (t) 18:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  He was transformative figure in German football, and also international. He was even inducted in U.S. football Hall of Fame.

  He helped German 2006 bid, and World Cup in Germany was a transformative and very big event that changed the way joe football is viewed in Germany. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  Agree with Kirill. Beckenbauer's transformative nature as a footballer, manager and executive/ambassador are the source of the title of this biography (Yes, I know anyone can write a book on anything, but it shows the breadth of his impact). I can't access the NYT homepage to see its billing, but there's a long obituary in the NYT which covers the main points (revolutionary defender, winning manager, controversial ambassador) [1]. Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  From New York Times:

  "A cerebral player whose technical skills and tactical awareness revolutionized his position in central defense, Beckenbauer was nicknamed “Der Kaiser” for his ability to control games and score goals from a position largely charged with preventing them." Kirill C1 (talk) 20:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  That's nice and all, but failing to have a significant section in our Article is a problem. RD blurbs should be very clear why we are promoting this person over the dozens of other deaths happening. Until that stuff is actually written onto our articles, it's hand waving claims of importance even if you can provide links here. — Masem (t) 21:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  I will add that there is now a Legacy section which partially satisfies my concern. But the article is still undersourced, so that's still a barrier to posting anything. — Masem (t) 22:21, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Strong support blurb. If we blurb a footballer, this is who we should blurb. Captain of German World Cup winning team, ultimate footballer.

He wasn't only a football player, his activities as Bayern Munich chief are very notable. Kirill C1 (talk) 19:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb old man dies. No disrespect intended. Keyword is former. ITN should not be an obituary celebrating life achievements. JM (talk) 19:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion, when someone dies who is world famous, to the point of being not only household name, but the representative of an era, or a certain field, like Tina Turner, Mikhail Gorbachyov, then this person should be blurbed. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:07, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

"Keynote is former" — Gorbachyov, Jim Brown, Henry Kissinger, Sidney Poitier, Jiang Zemin, former Fillipines president, former Angola president dos Santos were all former or retired. It didn't stop them from getting blurb. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I believe that my first ITN appearance was only in September, so the only one I was here for was Kissinger, and I opposed it. If you go back in the archive and look I actually said the exact same thing I said here: "old man dies". Also I said keyword, not keynote, so that's a misquote. JM (talk) 20:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Can I blame autocorrect? 😉 I would edit it but you already noticed this so don't know ehat to do. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:27, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

It's not a big deal, just felt the need to point it out for accuracy's sake. JM (talk) 20:31, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb One of the greatest players, and hugely influential in the game overall. Complaints that another player-manager wasn’t listed are odd: just because there was a mistake in not listing them doesn’t mean we shouldn’t list this one. - SchroCat (talk) 20:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Addendum: I’d also be happy supporting a blurb with both FB and Zagallo mentioned in the same entry. - SchroCat (talk) 22:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb. Probably the most notable player of his generation. His death is widely covered in the news around the world. Shanes (talk) 20:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb If Zagallo doesn’t merit a blurb, no way Beckenbauer does. Also, “one of the greatest” in football is a very broad category. It’s not even clear that he was the greatest German footballer ever because many regard Gerd Müller as such.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

It seems odd to reject one just because someone else who could have been listed wasn’t. I suspect it’s because WP is Western-centric, but that is hardly FB’s fault. - SchroCat (talk) 22:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb - According to the sources in the article, he was one of the greatest players in the history of the most popular sport in the world. Several accomplishments too that are internationally recognized. Comparing him to Zagallo is a mistake because sources widely covered Beckenbauer's career in more detail. Morogris (✉ • ✎) 20:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support blurb on principle, oppose on quality Beckenbauer is widely considered the greatest football defender of all time, or at least tied for the GOAT with Maldini. As such, he is probably notable enough for a blurb. However, the article is not yet ready. NorthernFalcon (talk) 20:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Comment. There is an article in The Guardian entitled Franz Beckenbauer was the complete footballer and a triumphant coach [2] Kirill C1 (talk) 22:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. My question here is just how many soccer players do we consider there to be/have been that were given blurbs/are worthy of future blurbs? Can't say I know enough about Zagallo or Beckenbauer, but are these individuals we would rank within the five most important soccer figures ever? Ten? Generally speaking, most fields don't see so many blurbs for their members short of people with truly transformative impact on the world, ie politicians, scientists, etc. Do we really consider either of these men in that category? DarkSide830 (talk) 01:37, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  I am not really a football (soccer) fan, but it appears that Beckenbauer is considered one of the greatest defensemen of all time. Unsure about Zagallo. Natg 19 (talk) 02:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  It is quite the opposite for politicians. Every time head of the state dies, we make a blurb. We blurbed Queen Elizabeth II, former Philippines President, dos Santos — former Angola President, Henry Kissinger, Kuwait head, Mikhail Gorbachyov in 2022 and 2023 alone. During that time we only blurbed Pele. Kirill C1 (talk) 07:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb. Transformative player followed by a most successful career as coach. Would also be happy to have a double blurb with Mário Zagallo. Schwede66 02:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  I'd be unhappy. Even having heard of neither, I can tell these are different people with different stories. Nothing in either article suggests their teams even played each other. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  Beckenbauer is the pillar of football, I can't believe anyone has not heard of him.

  He was very active while at Bayern Munich, very influential. Kirill C1 (talk) 07:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  I've heard of Cristiano Ronaldo, David Beckham and Lionel Messi. These are the Wayne Gretzkys, Michael Jordans and Hulk Hogans of the sport, as far as I and millions of other non-fans know. Even if he was "that damn good", his death doesn't change that and it doesn't make him anything like Zagallo (aside from making them dead, like the other eight notable footballers this year). InedibleHulk (talk) 07:21, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

• Blurbless, per JM. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support blurb transformative figure as a player (sweeper). David Beckham was nowhere near world-leading, he was a celebrity Bumbubookworm (talk) 07:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  He is a celebrity, and made soccer cool for a sizable chunk of the New World's youth (not me, though). You kind of had to be here to get it. What did this guy change? InedibleHulk (talk) 08:07, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  Fun fact, Beckenbauer did play in the US, from 1977-80 and '83. I bet Americans in the 70s were influenced by him. In fact, he was inducted into the National Soccer Hall of Fame (in the US). Natg 19 (talk) 08:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

  As a Canadian from the '80s, I can't say. All I know is Beckham's movie and later MLS signing were much more influential (though that is a fun fact, thanks). Did you hear Canada might host a World Cup? InedibleHulk (talk) 08:41, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

RD: Joan Acocella

Article: Joan Acocella (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit) and Innisfree987 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Dance critic for The New Yorker from 1998 to 2019. Thriley (talk) 04:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support. I’ve expanded a bit and improved the referencing; I think it’s in acceptable shape. Innisfree987 (talk) 08:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

2024 Bangladeshi general election

Article: 2024 Bangladeshi general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Prime Minister of Bangladesh Sheikh Hasina wins record fifth term. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Bangladeshi general election, the ruling Awami League, led by Sheikh Hasina, wins a large majority.
News source(s): The Times of India NDTV
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Created by Nitesh003 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Bangladesh election Hasina wins 5 term.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now on quality but support on notability once improvements are made This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality - the "Reactions" section is wholly empty, and the article needs improvement otherwise. I'd also recommend noting in the blurb that opposition parties boycotted the election. The Kip 03:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability once the article improves in quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:39, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability - Even a small European country's election gets highlighted, so why create biasedness and don't show this? Shakya2007 (talk) 10:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  Because the article is not of sufficient quality. Stephen 11:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  What Stephen said. I would add that absolutely no one has opposed this because of notability. All opposes are on quality. That's not bias; you should WP:AGF. JM (talk) 19:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support but wait for a while until the page gets more updated. Also I would propose a alternate blurb:

"Ruling Awami League led by Sheikh Hasina (pictured) wins a fifth consecutive term in a election boycotted by the opposition."

— Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 11:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support once ready per above. Support blurb by Zeeshan Y Tariq, as this should normally be mentioned as well. - CDE34RFV (talk) 17:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Note it is the fourth consecutive term of Sheikh Hasina since 2009 .She had one non consecutive term 1996-2001.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah sorry I accidentally missed that fact. Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 07:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

RD: Tim Steele

Article: Tim Steele (racing driver) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Frontstretch
Credits:

• Nominated by TheBlueSkyClub (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

ARCA racing legend who racked up 41 wins in his 15 years of competition. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 22:59, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Found a single CN, and some minor copyediting is needed, but article as a whole is about adequate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Kip (talk • contribs) 03:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

January 6

Portal:Current events/2024 January 6

January 6, 2024 (2024-01-06) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian forces attack Pokrovsk Raion, Donetsk Oblast, with S-300 missiles according to local authorities, killing at least 11 people, including five children, and injuring eight others. (CNN) Politics and elections 2024 Salvadoran general election Electronic voting for Salvadoran expatriates in the presidential and legislative elections begins. (El Mundo)

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RD: Roy Yorke Calne

Article: Roy Yorke Calne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph BBCABC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Performed Europe's first liver transplant.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Bio is fairly short and about half-awards, and more importantly, article is orange-tagged for an uncited section. The Kip 03:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Also performed two world firsts. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:00, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment 2 I've removed the uncited parts and am now waiting on you to expand the lead to three good sentences. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:52, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

January 5

Portal:Current events/2024 January 5

January 5, 2024 (2024-01-05) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Myanmar civil war Operation 1027 Battle of Laukkai The MNDAA gain full control of Laukkai, capital of the Kokang Self-Administered Zone following the mass surrender of the last junta forces and officials within the city. (Myanmar-Now) Iraqi conflict U.S. drone strikes in Iraq and Syria Prime Minister of Iraq Mohammed Shia' Al Sudani announces that the Iraqi government is beginning the process to remove the U.S.-led international military coalition from the country after a U.S. drone strike in Baghdad yesterday killed a militia leader. (Reuters) Korean conflict North Korea fires 200 artillery shells near South Korea's Yeonpyeong Island, prompting evacuations. (CNBC) Disasters and accidents 2024 Noto earthquake The death toll from the magnitude 7.6 earthquake in the Noto Peninsula in Ishikawa Prefecture, Japan, on January 1, increases to 94 people. At least 222 others still missing. (AP) Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 An Alaska Airlines Boeing 737 Max 9 aircraft loses a door section of its fuselage mid-air and makes an emergency landing in Portland, Oregon, United States, with no major injuries reported. The Federal Aviation Administration subsequently orders a temporary grounding of all 737 Max 9 aircraft in response to the incident. (The Guardian) (BBC News) (CNN) 2024 Cicalengka station railway collision Two passenger trains collide near Cicalengka railway station in Bandung Regency, West Java, Indonesia, killing at least four people and injuring several others. (AP) International relations Foreign relations of Nepal, Russo-Ukrainian War Nepal suspends the issuance of permits to its citizens to work in Russia and Ukraine after 10 Nepalis are killed while serving in the Russian Army. (Reuters) Law and crime South African former Paralympic athlete Oscar Pistorius is released on parole after serving eight and a half years in prison for the 2013 murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp. (France 24)

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RD: Nicholas Rescher

Article: Nicholas Rescher (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily Nous
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 12:13, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment German-American polymath, aged 95, no update in body. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:36, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Alaska Airlines Flight 1282

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Article: Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 171 Boeing 737 Max 9 aircraft have been grounded globally after Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 suffered an uncontrolled decompression mid-flight due to an emergency door being blown out. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 171 Boeing 737 Max 9 aircraft have been grounded globally after Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 suffered an uncontrolled decompression mid-flight due to an emergency door being blown out.
News source(s): BBC The Guardian AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by Captain Galaxy (talk · give credit)
• Created by Reschultzed (talk · give credit)

Article is in good quality. I believe this to be notable as it affects a lot of flights but apologise if this isn't notable to others. CaptainGalaxy 18:38, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Good faith nom, but something like this with no fatalities, even if it resulted in a grounding, just isn't notable enough for ITN in my opinion. qw3rty 19:34, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, per above. And let's face it, Boeing MAX planes being grounded for safety concerns isn't exactly a new thing. Oh and this. Black Kite (talk) 19:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Support - There's no such policy as WP:MINIMUMDEATHS. That isn't a reason to oppose. This has definitely been In The News PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:08, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Given the history of the max and the impact this grounding is having, this news clearly meets the requirement for posting ITN. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:18, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Given this is like the 3rd or 4th major problem with the Max, and that we typically do not post major product defects without a significant loss of life involved, this doesn't meet ITN significance. --Masem (t) 20:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support The in-flight incident isn't the significant thing here, the grounding is. However, the flight article is ready, whereas the grounding article is not (although it's close). NorthernFalcon (talk) 22:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose a minor incident. Not ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I think it would be better to put the groundings as the target article; however, this incident is not covered enough in the Boeing 737 MAX groundings article, aside from a few bullet points in the Timeline section. This could be considered as ITN (at least that is how I see it) but I believe the grounding of the MAX 9s is the bigger news here. Vida0007 (talk) 00:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose a good faith nomination. This incident is too minor; even the plane itself didn't suffer a hull loss. Bremps... 00:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per most of the above. A serious safety incident, but not critical or catastrophic. Long term significance is unlikely to be high. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Per above: Impact of grounding won't be very wide-spread, not notable for ITN. ~~mAyLiNgOeEd (Talk to me!) (My contributions to Wikipedia📜) 03:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. Thankfully a fairly minor incident, unlikely to have long-term implications. The Kip 03:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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RD: Anthony J. Alvarado

Article: Anthony J. Alvarado (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

New York City School Chancellor from 1983 to 1984. Death reported 5 January. Thriley (talk) 20:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Not Ready The article is sufficiently well-sourced, but should be cleaned up and split into sections. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

RD/Blurb: Mário Zagallo

Article: Mário Zagallo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Brazilian footballer, coordinator and manager Mário Zagallo, who won a record four FIFA World Cups, dies at the age of 92. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Brazilian footballer and manager Mário Zagallo dies at the age of 92.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

World Cup winner.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:30, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb as he was definitely a football legend and one of the most influential people in the history of the sport. He won a record four World Cups both as a player and manager, he managed the Brazilian squad to win the 1970 World Cup, which is considered the most dominant team ever, and he played a decisive role in reviving Brazilian dominance in the 1990s and early 2000s. Furthermore, his death receives front-page coverage with extensive obituaries.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:35, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb once ready per Kiril. - CDE34RFV (talk) 11:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Article is a bit thin but big enough. Needs some work to get up to the required standard. Personally I don't see him as a big enough name for the blurb. Nigej (talk) 11:51, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
• On the fence. I feel like if anyone led England to four world cup wins, they'd be blutbed before I'd even finished my apple crumble with custard. Alf Ramsey won one, and while he was pre-Wikipedia, I can't imagine we'd have not blurbed him. But maybe Brazil winning is more of a run of the mill thing, they're expected to win it. And don't want to open the floodgates too much. Quality needs sorting anyway.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:23, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb This article is way too short if we're supposed to consider him one of the best players or managers in the world. I would expect a significant amount of legacy and the like to be discussed, in addition to a more lengthy bio. Oppose RD at this time as I see unsourced paragraphs in it. --Masem (t) 15:14, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb The proposed blurb is vague/misleading and unsourced. A casual observer might assume that he "won" four World Cups as a player, however he only played in two of those wins. The article claims that the fourth "win" was as an "Assistant Manager", whatever that means. (If someone is a waterboy for a team that wins four world cups, does that count as "winning" four world cups?) Furthermore, the claim that he was assistant manager in 1994 is unsourced. The claim that "winning four world cups" is a record is also unsourced. Separate to all of the above, I don't think this person is sufficiently significant to warrant a blurb. He's not Pelé or Maradona or Madonna. Chrisclear (talk) 16:09, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

• There are plenty of reliable sources saying that he won four World Cups. See this as an example.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:19, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

• That source was not in the article when I read it before posting my comment above. And at the time of writing this comment, the 1994 "assistant manager" claim is still unsourced. Chrisclear (talk) 16:43, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

• If something is not in the article, it doesn’t mean it’s not true.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

  It may be true, but if you want this as a blurbed RD, the article better be of the quality needed to show that. When nominating an RD for a blurb, simple hand-waving "oh, this is important" without reflection in the article won't cut it. Masem (t) 17:24, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb old man dies. JM (talk) 16:23, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

• Technically true qw3rty 17:45, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

  True, but not ITN-worthy. JM (talk) 00:53, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready for RD Significant gaps in referencing. Neutral on Blurb -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:43, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb and RD on quality There's missing refs and the article itself is far too short for blurb-level quality. The Kip 23:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

  Also, oppose blurb on notability - it’d be one thing if he’d been manager for four WCs, and playing in four would be near-unprecedented, but it’s a little less special when it’s neither of those. Anyways, the sports figure blurb standards are high and his article doesn’t show that he meets them imo. The Kip 05:51, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb once ready This is one of the greatest legends in football's history. He won two WCs as a player, one WC as a coach and one WC as technical director. He managed the Brazilian squad to win the 1970 World Cup, which is considered the greatest football national team ever. Saying that he was only "old man dies" is very disrespectful.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 23:58, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

  It's an easy way to say that this person has long been retired, and his death does not have the significance of a normal non-death event which would be blurbed. A significant life is not a significant death, and ITN's blurbs should not be obituaries telling us about someone's life, which means that death blurbs should have the same qualifications as a normal blurbs: an article or section for itself, and having the same significance as a normal blurb. (And if you want to call my comment "very disrespectful" without replying to it, feel free to ping me.) JM (talk) 01:01, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

• Strong oppose blurb "Winning at sports" is not a sufficient justification for a death blurb. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:06, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb when ready Once the article is up to shape I can support a blurb largely per Kiril but also he was an influential figure in his field. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  The article has no support for this claim. I am sure it is true, but the article better have a detailed section as to why he was influential. Right now, it's hand waving of this claim. Masem (t) 01:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb, support RD on quality Zagallo is not on that Pele/Maradona/Messi level as a player, nor is he at the Sir Alex Ferguson level as a manager. To make a comparison with a different sport: Zagallo was not the Gretzky/Bobby Orr of football, nor was he the Scotty Bowman of hockey coaches, so he's not notable enough within his sport to merit a blurb. Article quality appears to be good enough for RD, though. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:54, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  Really? So let's look at the media's opinion shall we - Mário Zagallo, one of the greatest figures in the history of Brazilian football – obituary (The Telegraph). Brazilian World Cup-winning great Mario Zagallo dies aged 92 (RTE). Mario Zagallo: Brazilian football legend dies aged 92 (Sky Sports). Mario Zagallo was everything to Brazil – his record-setting involvement defined the national team (The Athletic). Brazil declares three-day mourning for football legend, Zagallo (PunchNG). He was a hugely influential in Brazlian and World football as a coach as many of the obituaries have stated. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 13:29, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  Zagallo is way bigger than Ferguson as a coach. He built the best national team ever and coached them to win a World Cup. Ferguson never ever dreamt about winning a World Cup. He pretty much only coached a single notable team in the Premier League. He also had two World Cup as player and one as technical director. How many people have 4 world cups in their careers? Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 22:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb, support RD Not as important to blurb. I do support the RD though. Setarip (talk) 09:49, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb, support RD No reason why this requires a blurb. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 19:26, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: Is this article ready for RD posting? BangJan1999 14:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  Er... no? It has orange tags for missing citations.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:03, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  And the "Playing career" section is really thin for such an important figure. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Amakuru and Muboshgu: I've tried to make some much-needed corrections and edits throughout the whole page: does it look better now? Oltrepier (talk) 19:46, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb - particularly if a joint one with Beckenbaur - SchroCat (talk) 22:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  WP:SYNTH? JM (talk) 23:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  No. Not even remotely close. I think you need to read that page before trying to use it in a discussion. - SchroCat (talk) 06:55, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

RD: Joseph Lelyveld

Article: Joseph Lelyveld (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

The executive editor of The New York Times from 1994 to 2001. Pulitzer Prize winner. Thriley (talk) 07:46, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support Brief, but well-cited. Just about meets requirements. The Kip 03:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Battle of Laukkai

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Article: Battle of Laukkai (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Anti-junta forces capture Laukkai, the capital of the Kokang Self-Administered Zone in northeastern Myanmar, during the Myanmar civil war. (Post)
News source(s): AP, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by EmeraldRange (talk · give credit)

Recent development of the completed capture, new article I created (~27000 chars). I expect more updates/changes as the situation/aftermath comes out on reliable sources and gets confirmed. First time, so apologies if new articles don't meet ITN standards. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 05:28, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Covered by ongoing Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose good faith nom but already covered This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:26, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose This is already covered in ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose covered by ongoing Setarip (talk) 10:19, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose ongoing JM (talk) 16:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

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RD: Derek Draper

Article: Derek Draper (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by 147.192.103.42 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

147.192.103.42 (talk) 16:23, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support One CN tag that needs attention, but overall the article is in good shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

RD: David Soul

Article: David Soul (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article may need some editing, but David Soul was best known as Hutch on Starsky and Hutch on TV, and one of the rare actors with a Billboard number one with Don't Give Up on Us, in 1977. TheCorriynial (talk) 15:37, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready Referencing is quite poor. [I remember him well from the 1979 version of Salem's Lot which scared the bleep out of me. Kids scratching on windows... shudder.] -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:15, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

  "Don't give up on his RD (he can still pull through)..." Martinevans123 (talk) 16:22, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support quality is good Setarip (talk) 20:33, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Filmreference.com is heavily used for citations, but Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Resources § Repository of resources says it is unreliable.—Bagumba (talk) 10:42, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing: 2024 Sea of Japan earthquake aftermath

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Article: 2024 Sea of Japan earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNA AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Earthquake aftermath is still receiving local and international coverage. Death toll is being updated at least once or twice a day; the same going on for the number of missing. Search and rescue for the very high number of people missing in proportion to confirmed deaths is still ongoing. People are still being rescued and death toll expected to rise further. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 11:32, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, the earthquake isn’t ongoing and there’ll always be a slow increase in casualties as the clean up happens. Stephen 12:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support – The earthquake rolled off so suddenly, while the article is still actively being updated every day. A very reasonable ongoing request, though it would be an extremely short one. I expect the edits will have slowed down a lot in just a week from now. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:09, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Barring extraordinary conditions, we usually do not have natural disasters or the long tail of recovery and restoration in ongoing. The Japan quake clearly was notable but it was far from a catastrophe that it could have been for a quake that size, and only a few hundred missing is not a scale that would be considered necessary to keep track of. --Masem (t) 12:39, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support - the ongoing rescue efforts are quite significant with both the death toll and missing account rising by the day. The same logic can basically be applied with the 2023 Turkey-Syria earthquake. Moctiwiki (talk) 13:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

  That earthquake had tolls in the 100,000s, where the Japan quake at most will come out to around 1000, most of those injured. Very significant difference. Masem (t) 13:27, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose I don't think this is suitable for ongoing. The earthquake itself is not ongoing and daily updates about the death toll aren't enough. Maybe if this was one of the major earthquakes, like Turkey-Syria last year or Japan in 2011, it would be on a different level. Johndavies837 (talk) 13:29, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The earthquake isn't ongoing and although it might be significant, it is not usual for one to post such in Ongoing. Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. An item shouldn't be ongoing if it isn't currently occurring. And yes, the aftermath is, but the aftermath of any event comes after it ends. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:01, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:22, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per above JM (talk) 23:27, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose The earthquake was already posted. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:13, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

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January 4

Portal:Current events/2024 January 4

January 4, 2024 (2024-01-04) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Iraqi conflict U.S. drone strikes in Iraq and Syria A U.S. drone strike in Baghdad, Iraq, kills four Harakat Hezbollah al-Nujaba militants, including senior leader Mushtaq Talib al-Saidi. (Reuters) 2023 Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Battle of Khan Yunis IDF claimed to have significantly degraded the command and control of Hamas Khan Younis Brigade's northern and eastern battalions with the destruction of tunnel systems, infrastructure and deaths of company commanders. (Understanding War) Kerman bombings Islamic State's Khorasan Province claims responsibility for yesterday's double bombing in Kerman, Iran, which killed 89 people. (BBC News) (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 New York City Subway derailment Five people are killed and 22 others are injured in a fire at a hospital in Uelzen, Lower Saxony, Germany. (AP) At least 1,000 cars are stranded on the E22 highway in Sweden between Hörby and Kristianstad due to heavy snow with people spending the night in their vehicles. The Swedish Army helped drivers get out of their vehicles and supplied them with basic amenities. (NOS) A private plane en route from J. F. Mitchell Airport in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines to Hewanorra International Airport in Saint Lucia crashes shortly after takeoff, killing four people including German actor Christian Oliver and his two daughters. (Loop News) (AFP via Hindustan Times) Law and crime Perry High School shooting Two people are killed (including the perpetrator) and seven others are injured during a mass school shooting in Perry, Iowa, United States. (KCCI-TV) Treatment of women by the Taliban A spokesman for the Vice and Virtue Ministry of the Taliban in Afghanistan announces the arrest of an unspecified number of women for wearing "bad hijab", in the first known crackdown on the dress code since the Taliban's return to power in August 2021. (AP) Myanmar announces the pardon of 9,652 prisoners, including 114 foreigners, to mark the country's independence day. (Reuters) Politics and elections Russo-Ukrainian War Russian President Vladimir Putin issues a decree granting Russian citizenship to foreigners who fight for Russia in the war against Ukraine, and for their families. (Reuters) Mohammad Sabah Al-Salem Al-Sabah is appointed as Prime Minister of Kuwait. (Reuters)

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RD: Christian Oliver

Article: Christian Oliver (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by 240D:1A:4B5:2800:DCA8:D015:810F:1125 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

German-born actor and aviation accident victim. 240D:1A:4B5:2800:DCA8:D015:810F:1125 (talk) 14:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Glynis Johns

Article: Glynis Johns (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC7
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Connormah (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article seems in good shape. Connormah (talk) 19:26, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Strong Support very good article. Setarip (talk) 20:16, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

• Procedural support meets criteria This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Meets the criteria. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:02, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
• Glynis Johns#Honours and awards is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 13:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• I have added citations for all the entries in this table. Aoba47 (talk) 01:51, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Up to standard and well-written too. Nigej (talk) 10:14, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support - meets our standards Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:35, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Glynis Johns § Filmography and discography has no citations, but a cursory random sample shows the items sourced in the page's earlier prose. While the section is a summary of the main article Glynis Johns filmography and discography, WP:CIRCULAR says: Do not use articles from Wikipedia (whether English Wikipedia or Wikipedias in other languages) as sources...Content from a Wikipedia article is not considered reliable unless it is backed up by citing reliable sources. Confirm that these sources support the content, then use them directly I have no opinion on posting this or not.—Bagumba (talk) 13:53, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

  Usually filmography is moved to a standalone article if there are no references. But here is another case — the article about filmography is well referenced.

  Two solutions — either delete films in section altogether and just leave reference to other article or insert good looking tables from filmography article to main article. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:46, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Article meets standards. Ms. Johns had a long and distinguished career on stage and screen, crossing several generations. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 20:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Page is up to standard for RD. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 20:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted per consensus above that the article is good enough. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 01:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Jeffrey Epstein's associates list

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Article: Jeffrey Epstein's associates list (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hundreds of pages of unsealed documents containing the names of 187 people connected to sex-trafficker Jeffrey Epstein (pictured) are revealed. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian - The Independent - El Pais - CNN - NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Vinicius mad (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jeraxmoira (talk · give credit), Wow (talk · give credit), Tanaya001 (talk · give credit), EphemeralPerpetuals (talk · give credit) and ARandomName123 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Major news across the world (with even some international coverage being made as seen in the sources section above). Let me remind y'all that this has verifiably occurred - documents were published that included the names of individuals - WP:BLP only applies in accusing anyone of anything for a supposed crime that they didn't commit, which hasn't happened yet. — Knightoftheswords 01:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

• Wait, Leaning Support, Event is recent and there hasn't been any updates/reactions and I would wait until there are further responses globally before posting. Article could also be expanded on as it's only start-class, I would also really like to see this article expanded on with reactions and developments from people related to this event. ~~mAyLiNgOeEd (Talk to me!) (My contributions to Wikipedia📜) 02:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose As the sources on this have clearly stated, this is only people that have had some type of connection to Epstein, and there are some that are not being investigated with any part of Epstein's crimes. While we can document the list, we should be aware that there's going to be a flurry of news of people on this list trying to distance themselves from it, and thus we should keep BLPCRIME in mind, since no one yet has been convicted or arrested on these charges. --Masem (t) 02:27, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

  What charges? All we're saying is Michael Jackson is somewhat connected to the guy. That's not illegal. It's also not that important. Certainly could get "messy", among the living. Maybe living royalty and presidents, too, but they're used to it. Tough call. Strong Neutral. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:43, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

  It's not about whether any of these people have done illegal actions, or maybe none are just connected to Epstein, but it is about that as an encyclopedia, we should not engage in gossipmongering particularly when there may be potential crimes involved. Again, we can document the list, but we should not be so over the moon about it as to make it an ITN item, because that feeds this gossipmongering aspect. Masem (t) 02:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

  Fair enough. For the record, I in no way meant to suggest Michael Jackson was ever connected to underage girls. Not through Epstein or anyone. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:58, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem, BLPCRIME, and BLPGOSSIP. Some people seem to think that this is a list of people who Epstein connected with underage girls. It is not. The incorrect implication is a major BLP issue. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose good faith nom per Masem and Muboshgu. There are huge BLP issues here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:52, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
• Strong oppose What they said. It's (ultimately) a bunch of documents showing that a dead criminal knew high-profile people. It passes GNG based on immense coverage, but it's only news for gossip, not actual news. (And FWIW, our article is not of a standard for MP inclusion by a long shot) Kingsif (talk) 03:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on BLP concerns, and also on article quality. Natg 19 (talk) 04:04, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. The Kip 05:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
• Wait, tending towards support, per Maylingoed. Given the high-profile nature of some of the names, I think we should wait a bit to expand the article further. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 05:33, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose This is not a client list or anything even close to that. The fact that a rich financier (who is now one of the most notorious criminals) had contact with high-profile people at some point in the past is not notable in itself or evidence of a link to Epstein's sex crimes. The documents also include hearsay, most of the accusations have been known for years and no one has been charged. Not suitable for ITN and I'm not even sure if it should have its own article, it should be merged with Epstein's article. Johndavies837 (talk) 05:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for concerns about BLP and GOSSIP; willing to reconsider if something more notable occures on the back of it though This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

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January 3

Portal:Current events/2024 January 3

January 3, 2024 (2024-01-03) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russo-Ukrainian War Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War, Turkey–Ukraine relations Turkey denies access to the Black Sea for two Royal Navy minehunters saying their transit of the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits would be in violation of the Montreux Convention of 1936. (The Independent) Ukraine and Russia complete their first prisoner exchange in nearly five months, releasing over 200 people on each side, facilitated by mediation from the United Arab Emirates. (Reuters) Myanmar civil war Operation 1027 Ta’ang National Liberation Army claimed to have taken control of the town of Mongngaw in Kyaukme Township in Shan State. (Irrawadyy) Colombian conflict The Clan del Golfo detonate explosives at an army encampment in Turbo, Antioquia Department, Colombia, killing a soldier and injuring 12 others. (ABC News) Kerman bombings Eighty nine people are killed and 284 others injured in a double bombing in Kerman, Iran, during a ceremony marking the fourth anniversary of the assassination of Qasem Soleimani. (AP) Law and crime 2023 Sierra Leone coup attempt A court in Freetown, Sierra Leone, charges former president Ernest Bai Koroma with four offences, including treason for his alleged role during the November coup attempt. (France 24) Capital punishment in India A court in India sentences two men to death over a train bombing in 2005 which killed 14 people. (Deccan Herald) A court in the U.S. state of New York releases unsealed documents containing the associates list of Jeffrey Epstein to the public. (The Independent) Three men are stabbed and injured on a train at Akihabara Station in Tokyo, Japan. (Reuters) Politics and elections Hilda Heine is sworn in as President of the Marshall Islands. (RNZ)

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(New) RD: J. P. S. Uberoi

Article: J. P. S. Uberoi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Apandeyhp89 (talk · give credit), Deleuzeserres (talk · give credit) and Ktin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian sociologist. Article requires some small set of updates. Should be ready soon. Basic edits done. Meets hygiene expectations. Ktin (talk) 18:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 PDC World Darts Championship

Article: 2024 PDC World Darts Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In darts, Luke Humphries (pictured) wins the PDC World Championship. (Post)
News source(s): BBC The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by OZOO (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

ITNR article, updated to include final information. OZOO (t) (c) 22:50, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Conditional Support (once orange tags are removed) -- it appears this is posted every year; some sections may need additional refs Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:59, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

  it appears this is posted every year... @Kcmastrpc: It's an WP:ITNR item, so posting is a given once consensus is that quality is met. —Bagumba (talk) 03:53, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality apart from the citation needed tags listed on there, the semi-final and particularly the final sections need more sources to verify all content. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:52, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

• Looks good enough now to support. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Quality now seems fine - there are referenced prose summaries of every round, including three paragraphs on the final. The text is jargon-heavy but I think it's good enough to post. Modest Genius ^talk 15:00, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality and principle per above on point 1 but also I really don't think darts is a sport with enough notability for front page This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

• It's WP:ITNR, so front page notability is not in question. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@Orbitalbuzzsaw: If you want darts off WP:ITNR, take it to WT:ITN, not here. BangJan1999 17:26, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Quality is there and it is covered by WP:ITNR. Arguments about whether darts articles are suitable is a discussion for another place. Nigej (talk) 09:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 10:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment mentioned on Errors also, but the image of Humphries is low quality. Is there a different picture of him that we can use? Or should we just use a different picture for ITN? Natg 19 (talk) 20:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Tetris broken

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Articles: Tetris (talk · history · tag) and Willis Gibson (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The videogame Tetris (pictured) is broken by a human for the first time, when they reached level 157 (Post)
News source(s): BBC, IGN, NBC, NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Pablo Mayrgundter (talk · give credit), DigitalIceAge (talk · give credit) and 3df (talk · give credit)

Article updated

I can't see an update for this yet and I suppose some authentication may be required. But the mainstream media seem to be taking it seriously. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Updates have been made to the NES article and I've added these details. This seems to be the version used for the Classic Tetris World Championship and so has some credence as a recognised format. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:29, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, I don't think it's really ITN worthy, especially because it is only the NES version of tetris. Also, article doesn't appear to have this in it. Vetrenarisisum (talk) 19:18, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - This specifically relates to Tetris (NES video game) and not to Tetris as a whole. This seems to be receiving widespread media attention, although saying it was "broken for the first time" is an unusual way to word the blurb. No opinion on whether or not this is ITN worthy. Probably makes for a better video game related ITN blurb than whatever industry backpatting awards usually show up. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 19:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 19:22, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• As I understand it, there's no in-game endpoint and so the achievement is pushing the game to the point that the software can't cope any more. The feat seems fairly well understood but has only been achieved by AI previously. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:28, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

*Wait until article is updated, Leaning Support: This story will likely further develop, Article needs to be updated to accommodate this event. This is notable as Tetris is a very popular game worldwide, not to mention that it took 34 years until someone has beaten it. ~~mAyLiNgOeEd (Talk to me!)

• Oppose: Per other comments; This is only for the NES edition and there is not much merit to "beating the game" because of a technical limitation of the NES. Not notable given additional context. ~~mAyLiNgOeEd (Talk to me!) (My contributions to Wikipedia📜) 20:22, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose More trivia than anything else. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 19:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per both Enby and Vetrenarisisum. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:41, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Suggestions "Videogame" should be two words, "broken" should be "beaten", "they" should be "he", "reached" should be "reaches" and the picture should be an NES screenshot. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose absolutely not. Natg 19 (talk) 19:48, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. It was just one version of Tetris, and more to do with a coding glitch than anything else. I think the media are kind of getting the wrong end of the stick here. Not ITN-worthy.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:08, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose This seems to be moreso a technical limitation of the 8-bit NES. 20:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose while I'd want to see more video game stories on the main page, thus is just a technicality due to limitations of the NES hardware as others have pointed out. --Masem (t) 21:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Tetris is my favorite game, but this is way too trivial for ITN. (And as others have said, is only relevant to one version and due to a glitch.) Funcrunch (talk) 21:20, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose A teenager "beating" a 40 year old game by using a technical limitation is not news qw3rty 21:22, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• The fact that a teenager is playing a 40-year-old game seems remarkable in itself. How many other classics have such a timeless following? Andrew🐉(talk) 21:32, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) Kerman bombings

Article: Kerman bombings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 103 people are killed in bombings in Kerman, Iran, during a ceremony commemorating the assassination of Qasem Soleimani. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Over 103 people are killed and dozens more injured in bombings in Kerman, Iran, during a ceremony commemorating the assassination of Qasem Soleimani.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Iran, Islamic State kill 84 people in a double bombing in Kerman.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Chaotic Enby (talk · give credit)
• Created by Homerethegreat (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Major bombing, believed to be a terrorist attack. Current death count of 73 103, at least 150 injured. Improvements to the blurb are welcome. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 13:32, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support upon article expansion. One of the deadliest attacks in Iran in decades. 69.156.166.201 (talk) 13:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Very notable due to large casualties, unusual for Iran and one of the most deadly attacks in Iran in recent times. Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:14, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Article could be expanded slightly more but apart from that, it's very notable due to the high death toll. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 14:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support, Very notable event, deadly bombing that happened in Iran. Could wait a bit longer before posting to monitor any recent developments. ~~mAyLiNgOeEd (Talk to me!) (My contributions to Wikipedia📜) 14:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Big attack on Iran. Seems ready for posting.BabbaQ (talk) 14:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Strong Support But it says at least 103 people killed, and the blurb says 73. Might have to wait for correct casualties or change blurb. Setarip (talk) 14:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, updated! ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 14:48, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support It is a notable event but wait until it is clear whether this is a terrorist attack or not , even though deputy governor said so , wait for ministry of interior to say so. Harvici 14:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support but suggest waiting a few more hours for details to emerge and settle down before posting. Article is sufficiently sourced. — Masem (t) 15:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Support Due to impact, update hook when motives are known. Bremps... 15:03, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support per above ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 15:09, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Wait/Support Article is still coalescing information. I assume it'll be ready in a few hours. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:12, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
•  Posted. El_C 15:17, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
  • You forgot a period at the end. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 15:36, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

  Not sure how notable or true this is but i am seeing news articles suggesting this was done by Israel, so the question will arise over whether this deserves its own blurb or should just be treated as part of the Israel Hamas war ongoing. Not sure if I have a position on the matter, and I certainly don't care to contribute to a discussion on it, other than to bring it to y'all's attention. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 15:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

  That has no bearing on it being worthy of a blurb. El_C 15:43, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

  Death count increased to 211+ (source) ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 19:36, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Chaotic Enby: i24 is not a good enough source to base that claim on—even hours later now, gold-standard news outlets are still reporting that there were "at least 103". Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 22:37, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Probably worth wikilinking "assassination" to Assassination of Qasem Soleimani, it's an impressive-looking article. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

  Agree with this. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 20:28, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

  Added Stephen 23:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Daesh has claimed responsibility and nobody's disputed it; should we add that to the blurb? The Kip 22:56, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's very important. I've written alt2 to include that. Mentioning the ceremony takes up a lot of space & the fact that the bombings were committed by IS is very important, especially because there has been a lot of speculation as well as false accusations. X2023X (talk) 00:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

ISIS mention  Done. El_C 09:02, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Just a suggestion - the blurb now reads as if Daesh claiming responsibility is the story, rather than the bombings themselves. My personal suggestion would be something like:

"In Iran, at least 84 people are killed by an Islamic State bombing during a ceremony commemorating the assassination of Qasem Soleimani."

The Kip 09:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Agreed and  Done. El_C 10:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

January 2

Portal:Current events/2024 January 2

January 2, 2024 (2024-01-02) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2023 Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) Assassination of Saleh al-Arouri An Israeli airstrike in the Dahieh neighborhood of Beirut, Lebanon, kills seven people, including Saleh al-Arouri, the deputy chairman of Hamas' political bureau, and two other senior Hamas military officials. Israel has not claimed responsibility for the attack. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against infrastructure 2 January 2024 Russian strikes on Ukraine Four civilians are killed and nearly 100 others are injured by a Russian missile attack in Kharkiv and at least 27 civilians are injured by a Russian missile attack in Kyiv. (AP) Spillover of the Afghan conflict Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Unidentified gunmen kill six people in Mir Ali, North Waziristan District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (ABC News) War in Sudan (2023–present) The RSF attacked the town of Bara, North Kordofan and plundered the University of Gezira in Wad Madani. The SAF launched airstrikes on RSF positions in Wad Madani, Sennar, and the Khartoum area. (Dabanga Sudan) Arts and culture 2023 United States Congress hearing on antisemitism Claudine Gay resigns as president of Harvard University following controversial remarks she made during a congressional hearing on antisemitism and accusations of plagiarism. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 Haneda Airport runway collision A Japan Airlines Airbus A350-900 aircraft collides with a Japan Coast Guard Dash 8 aircraft and bursts into flames at Haneda Airport in Tokyo, Japan. All 379 occupants aboard the Japan Airlines flight are evacuated, while five of the six occupants aboard the Coast Guard aircraft are killed. (BBC News) (Reuters) A Ugandan People's Defence Force helicopter crashes in the village of Nyamisigiri, Kabarole District, Uganda, killing two people on board the helicopter and one person on the ground. (KFM) (Aviation Safety Network) Law and crime Attempted assassination of Lee Jae-myung South Korean opposition politician Lee Jae-myung is stabbed in the neck in Gadeokdo, Busan. (The New York Times) A man breaks into the Colorado Supreme Court building in Denver, Colorado, United States. He holds a security guard at gunpoint and later voluntarily surrenders to police. (Colorado Public Radio)

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(new) RD: Chris Karrer

Article: Chris Karrer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BR (in German)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Pioneer of German (Kraut)rock and world music, playing guitar, violin, saxophone, oud ... - Filmpreis with band Anom Düül II. Was a rather stubby article, that's why it took so long. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

COMMENT I appreciate your work on the article, but oppose its inclusion for now. I agree that the general criteria for inclusion of a recent death are met, but have some concerns about quality. Below, I will split those into separate comments to for a simpler structure. FortunateSons (talk) 18:35, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

1. The use of Strawberry Bricks as source isn’t great. Is that really a WP:RS? FortunateSons (talk) 18:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

2. The fifth footnote links to a 24 page pdf. Is there way to source it in way that allows for easier verification? FortunateSons (talk) 18:39, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

3. I am unsure about some other footnotes whether or not they comply with WP:RS, could you provide some context for the following sources: progarchives.com, rocktimes.com, materiali-sonori.myshopify.com. Particularly the last one isn’t great, if you ask me? FortunateSons (talk) 18:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

4. this is probably subjective, but 5 paragraphs of text is still pretty short. Is there other significant information with which the article can be extended, or is this all that can reliably sourced? FortunateSons (talk) 18:48, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

My time is limited, my knowledge of the kind of music very basic which includes knowledge about sources. I believe that he should appear, and appreciate all help.

1. The Strawberry was for a while the only source for his death, and I try to avoid to remove the work of others.

2. I'll check that now.

3. I keep being surprised about the need to source recordings, - if they exist, it should hardly mater which source says so.

4. This is subjective, - back to intro. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:50, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I removed 1. and added 3. to the talk page. I think everything else is at least good enough for ITN, thank you for the good work! FortunateSons (talk) 20:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

The page number is 14. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! FortunateSons (talk) 20:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

The article could be made longer by including more from the rather detailed one about his band, but is that what we'd want? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

You’re right, it would probably be mostly filler. If you find something, that would be great, but otherwise probably fine as is FortunateSons (talk) 20:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

support! Per discussion above. FortunateSons (talk) 20:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Matisyahu Salomon

Article: Matisyahu Salomon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://hamodia.com/2024/01/02/bde-harav-matisyahu-chaim-salomon/ https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/2250855/baruch-dayan-haemes-bmg-mashgiach-rav-mattisyahu-salomon-ztl.html
Credits:

• Nominated by StonyBrook (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ruttgc49 (talk · give credit), Proud Novice (talk · give credit), Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit), Arminden (talk · give credit) and Rabbi Barry (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

One of the world's foremost mashgiach ruchanis operating out of the largest yeshiva in the western hemisphere. StonyBrook _babble 22:39, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Support Citations look good and article seems balanced 68.192.102.58 (talk) 00:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: 2 more CN tags. Spencer^T•C 04:31, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  Y Added references and removed an unsourced sentence. StonyBrook _babble 09:15, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 01:39, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Claudine Gay

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Claudine Gay (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Claudine Gay, the first black female President of Harvard University resigns amid allegations of anti-semitism and plagiarism. (Post)
News source(s): https://apnews.com/article/harvard-president-plagiarism-claudine-gay-3b048da1f2ee17b5edec3680b5828e8f
Credits:

• Nominated by 24.125.98.89 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Alden Loveshade (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Prestigious university president who was appointed by the university with much fanfare resigns after being accused of anti-semitism and plagiarism. Making international headline news, shortest tenure in the role in the nearly 400 year history of the school 24.125.98.89 (talk) 12:09, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you suggestion in spirit, but please moderate your language, particularly insofar as it cannot be verified with sources compliant with WP:BLP FortunateSons (talk) 12:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

fixed --24.125.98.89 (talk) 12:20, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Looks a lot better, thank you FortunateSons (talk) 12:24, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

who? this is not worthy of itn, shitty ass blurb gtfo 2601:58A:8E7E:C300:1411:DF33:5D74:9A03 (talk) 17:48, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, tempest in a teapot, university presidents are nothin' but cheerleaders and fundraisers, and I don't see how somebody getting fired is ITN-level material. Abductive (reasoning) 12:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Support significant media attention, political and academic backlash, and it is reported by many news sites, including many national and international reliable sources. FortunateSons (talk) 12:39, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, just a university, not a geopolitical authority or anything. Small impact. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I disagree, it is one of the best ranked universities in the world. FortunateSons (talk) 13:08, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Technically, tied to the situation in the Gaza strip, but also typically we would not post the resignation or retirement or other departure of the top person in a company or institution, unless there were serious ramifications that would come with that. --Masem (t) 13:13, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose trivial. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:40, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - National story with little or zero impact outside its own jurisdiction.BabbaQ (talk) 14:41, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I was reading the instructions above Wikipedia:ITNCDONT and it says "Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one." so I guess your comment is invalid. --24.125.98.89 (talk) 15:14, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

The comment mentioned the jurisdiction, not the entire US. You can't just decide that replies opposing your proposal are invalid, that's bad form. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 15:37, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support We don't know what the ramifications are going to be, and any speculation here within is pure WP:CRYSTAL. This story is making headlines worldwide and is currently the subject of many emerging editorials and opinion pieces. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
  • ITN does not consider whether the story us headline news or not or widely it is being reported. And if there are no clear immediate ramifications reported as part of the story, then it is CRYSTAL to suggest there will be any. — Masem (t) 17:00, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Someone gets fired at a prestigious university, not ITN-worthy. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 15:35, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose this unworthy event. Not important at all for the world. Setarip (talk) 16:32, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Zvi Zamir

Article: Zvi Zamir (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of Israel
Credits:

• Nominated by 240D:1A:4B5:2800:51E3:903B:140B:3B5E (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former director of Mossad. 240D:1A:4B5:2800:51E3:903B:140B:3B5E (talk) 10:15, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs a lot of work done. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:05, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sartaj Aziz

Article: Sartaj Aziz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Business Recorder
Credits:

• Nominated by Chaotic Enby (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former finance minister of Pakistan, orange tag to fix but that should be doable. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 17:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good and I've done some work in fixing the sourcing issues. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is generally good-quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:11, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 15:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ken Bowman

Article: Ken Bowman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 17:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose We dont even know whether or not he died in 2024 Setarip (talk) 19:00, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Setarip, his death was reported today. Irrelevant of what day it was, this is eligible. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Apparently he died on Dec 27. But Muboshgu is right. His death was announced today, thus this is RD eligible. Natg 19 (talk) 01:37, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is in good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:44, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 15:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted as RD) RD/blurb?: Saleh al-Arouri

Article: Saleh al-Arouri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  In Beirut, Lebanon, senior Hamas leader Saleh al-Arouri is assassinated by an Israeli airstrike (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Was a leader in Hamas. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Support Article quality is pretty good. Setarip (talk) 18:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• @Setarip: Thoughts on it being a blurb? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:22, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

  Support Blurb An important figure from Hamas, his assassination article is good quality as well. Setarip (talk) 17:44, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 23:06, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Can we blurb it? We blurbed assassination of ISIS leader. And it is the first major figure from Hamas who was taken out by Israel. Kirill C1 (talk) 23:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I was mulling with the idea of a blurb as well. We did blurb Qasem Soleimani's death. Plus the Assassination of Saleh al-Arouri article doesn't look that bad as well. I'd support blurb TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:42, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Blurb. Qasem Soleimani was the head of the IRGC while Saleh is merely the second-in-command of Hamas's political branch, which relatively speaking isn't that significant. It was a similar deal with ISIS since Kirili CT brought it up; we posted when Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was killed, but not when his many deputies were drone striked. When the actual head gets assassinated, then it should be posted Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 09:56, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support on blurbing Assassination of Saleh al-Arouri. It's an appropriate level of detail for an ITN feature, though not the most impressive subject as per Mount Patagonia above. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Important figure within Hamas - afterall he was the Deputy Chairman of the Political Bureau, and the founding commander of one Hamas' military wing. He is more than just the "second in command" of Hamas. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb not a key leader of Hamas, no practical effect on the Gaza strip conflict. --Masem (t)
• Oppose blurb on account of not knowing what actual effect al-Arouri's death with have on the conflict. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:45, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb per Masem/Mount Patagonia. The Kip 19:12, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Not just the deputy political leader of Hamas, but a founder of its military wing. —M3ATH (See · Say) 07:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

RD: Qaiser Rashid Khan

Article: Qaiser Rashid Khan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jang
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ainty Painty (talk) 16:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is a stub and has not been updated to reflect his death. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Now updated. Ainty Painty (talk) 03:19, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

• Generally speaking the article badly needs more secondary sources, but it would barely surpass RD's low quality bar if the close parroting of the primary source profile didn't have me concerned. ("received his secondary education", uses the exact same cadence as the source in that section, "took oath as" farther down) Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 01:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Carmen Valero

Article: Carmen Valero (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): EFE, El País, El Periódico, Diario AS, Marca, Relevo
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Oltrepier (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit), Gianluigi02 (talk · give credit) and Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Valero became the first woman to ever represent Spain at the Summer Olympics in 1976, and won two consecutive IAAF World Cross Country Championships in 1976 and 1977. Oltrepier (talk) 11:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Comment: I'm currently working on the article to "de-stub" it and bring it to a good level. Oltrepier (talk) 14:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support I'll be damned. Great job at expanding the article. Looks solid. Gonna be bold and marking it as ready. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:36, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks great. Congrats for the job Oltrepier. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 15:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Japan Airlines Flight 516

Article: Japan Airlines Flight 516 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Five people are killed after Japan Airlines Flight 516 (aircraft involved pictured) collides with a Japan Coast Guard aircraft while landing at Tokyo's Haneda Airport. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A Japan Airlines Airbus A350 (aircraft pictured) collides with a Japan Coast Guard aircraft at Japan's Haneda Airport, resulting in the death of five people on board the JCG aircraft.
Alternative blurb II: ​ At Tokyo's Haneda Airport, Japan Airlines Flight 516, (aircraft involved pictured) carrying 367 passengers collides with a Japan Coast Guard aircraft, killing 5 people and leaving several injured.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Japan Airlines Flight 516 (aircraft involved pictured) collides with a Japan Coast Guard aircraft while landing at Tokyo's Haneda Airport. Five out of six people are killed on board the JCG aircraft.
News source(s): CNN, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Midori No Sora (talk · give credit)
• Created by Kiwiz1338 (talk · give credit)

A Japan Airlines Airbus A350 aircraft collided with a Japan Coast Guard Dash 8 aircraft while landing at Tokyo Haneda Airport. Everyone on the A350 survived (some are injured), while 5 out of 6 people on the Coast Guard plane died. Both planes are reportedly destroyed and this is JAL's first fatal accident since 1985. It was also widely reported by almost every major news sources. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 10:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose on quality concerns. We still need a flight/accident section. Otherwise I’m feeling OK for support. S5A-0043^Talk 10:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

By the way, since reports suggest a collosion with a SDF plane, I say we wait until that’s confirmed before we go ahead with ITN. S5A-0043^Talk 10:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for now The article will be ready to go on In The News when it is a bit more fleshed out. Bremps... 10:24, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Comment: If we eventually find significant consensus to post the blurb, I'd suggest to edit the final part to avoid confusion: according to the latest reports, all of the passengers and staff members had been evacuated before the plane caught fire, whereas the only casualties were registered within the crew of the Japan Coast Guard aircraft. Oltrepier (talk) 11:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose It is now known that all of the passanger on the larger plane survived - it is the 5-to-6 crew of the coast guard plane that are dead or yet accounted for. This could have been a lot worse but in terms of what actually happened it was a close call. --Masem (t) 13:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support hull loss of a large passenger jet of a major airline makes this notable. 2A02:908:676:E640:A968:92D3:DBA4:F952 (talk) 13:39, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support - runway/mid-air collision, double hull loss. Article in good enough state to post. Mjroots (talk) 13:42, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Yes, it could have been a lot worse but thankfully it wasn't. However, it is worldwide news top story. Collision involving a full passenger airline leading to fatalities and two complete hull loss. -- KTC (talk) 13:59, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support as per above, but I stand on my previous comment: we need to avoid confusion in the blurb. Oltrepier (talk) 14:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Oltrepier, I've rewritten Alt Blurb and made Alt Blurb III mention the deaths are specifically from the JCG aircraft. How about that? 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 14:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Midori No Sora: That's better, well done! Oltrepier (talk) 15:04, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Top news around the world, most significant aviation accident in Japan for nearly a decade, most significant aviation incident involving a civilian wide-body airliner since at least 2022. This is unquestionably notable and the article is in good enough shape for posting. Thryduulf (talk) 14:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Support - WP:MINIMUMDEATHS is not a policy. This is getting a massive amount of coverage. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability: Historic accident for Japan Airlines, currently making international headlines globally. However, article could be significantly improved on before posting. ~~mAyLiNgOeEd (Talk to me!) (My contributions to Wikipedia📜)
  • What specifically do you think could be improved? Is there something in particular that is missing? Thryduulf (talk) 16:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Per above, a serious aviation incident that surpasses the bar for inclusion on ITN. There is no death count requirement here. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:24, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. I tweaked alt 3 to try to avoid repetition. Please feel free to improve it further. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 17:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  I hate to be nitpicky but there was an update to the picture of JA13XJ (the Japan Airlines aircraft involved in the crash) on the article page, may i suggest to use this here aswell? TrainSimFan (talk) 17:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  I'm questioning if that photo was acceptable to upload here. That photo was taken from the "Jetphotos" website and wonder if it's copyrighted or not. From what I searched, Jetphotos does not license any of the the aircraft images under the Creative Commons policy. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 17:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  That photo is indeed a copyright violation, I've nominated it for speedy deletion on Commons. Someone else beat me to removing it from the article. Thryduulf (talk) 18:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: The remains of JA13XJ is finally posted at the Commons that isn't copyrighted. Could I request the current image of the plane replaced with this? 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 08:06, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Midori No Sora I think you should try WP:ERRORS. It seems that someone beat you to it. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:59, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

  Yup. The image was awaiting media protection when I've requested this here. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 14:29, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Stabbing of Lee Jae-myung

Article: Stabbing of Lee Jae-myung (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ South Korean opposition leader Lee Jae-myung is stabbed in Busan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the South Korean opposition, is stabbed in Busan.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the South Korean opposition, is stabbed in Busan, but survives the attack.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the South Korean opposition, is hospitalized following a stabbing attack in Busan
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Bremps (talk · give credit)
• Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit), Slinking Agony (talk · give credit), Unknown-Tree (talk · give credit) and TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Bremps... 03:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Wait, leaning towards oppose — Reporting from The Chosun Ilbo suggests Lee will survive the attack. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  @ElijahPepe: The article has been expanded with the info available. While it appears that Lee will survive the attack, I believe it's worth blurbing per Chrisclear and that this event is making headlines. Also an assassination attempt like this on a high-profile figure is rare (no matter if it's successful or not). TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:10, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  Concur. Hard to imagine someone making this argument if something similar happened to Trump. Or even Ron DeSantis. Bremps... 12:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Wait as per elijahpepe. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  @MtPenguinMonster: Thoughts now? Article has been expanded and it looks like Lee survived the attack. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  Support. The article seems to be in good quality now, and we have the update. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:41, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support This is the leader of the opposition party of a country, and the presumptive candidate in the next presidential election. Whether or not Lee Jae-Myung survives the attack (and I hope he does) is irrelevant. Presumably if Hillary Clinton had been stabbed in the neck in 2016, or Mitt Romney had been stabbed in the neck in 2012, those incidents would be overwhelmingly supported for a blurb by a large number of (American) editors. The only difference is that this incident took place in South Korea to a South Korean politician, and not in the US to an American. Chrisclear (talk) 06:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
• Wait, pending article expansion. Leaning support. Anarchyte (talk) 06:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Anarchyte: Expanded article with the current info available. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Support, this is najor news. Kirill C1 (talk) 07:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb II (which ive added), it's certainly in the news but I think it's important to clarify that he survived the attack, which it looks like he's doing. Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 07:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  It looks he will, but there's never any guarantees. We can put "hospitalized" or something similar that implies he is still being treated. Bremps... 08:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support, though article needs expansion. Notable whether he survives or not. A major politician gets stabbed in the neck is big news. Natg 19 (talk) 07:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
• Article is rather short and barebones. We're not really telling our readers much of anything. Perhaps wait until more is known. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:36, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Maplestrip: Expanded article with info available. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:37, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  • @TDKR Chicago 101: Support – Excellent work, the article looks in really good shape now and gives lots of details and background information. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support A high-ranking political figure being, let's face it, the target of an assassination attempt is blurb worthy in my mind. Article is rather short, but I'm positive it'll be expanded once more info is known. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality the article is barely more than a stub. I imagine that in the next 12-24 hours more information will be known, and so this article can then be properly expanded to make it a front page-worthy article. Once that's done, consider this a support vote. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Joseph2302: Expanded article with the current info available. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  Support now good expansion, thanks. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:11, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability and quality, article looks good enough now. AryKun (talk) 12:04, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support - quality looks good enough. Notable. BabbaQ (talk) 13:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Support. Quality and notability are both there to me. S5A-0043^Talk 14:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Support Alternative blurb III quality is good enough to me Setarip (talk) 14:07, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Posted -- KTC (talk) 14:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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